Tyrian Music Resampling and Re-recording Project

[nixin]

Sorry, fortunatly I'm still here.
It's just I've been really busy lately and with all those very big projects on my mind (usualy paid projects)... I did try to make Camanis though, but it was really hard so I dropped it for now. The project isn't dead, no, defenatly not dead - but you'll just have to wait for a little while Sorry. Btw. listen to Brandon's new album, it's awesome. (to those who don't know, he's the original composer of the tyrian music)
www.alexanderbrandon.net/

[sharp]

yeah nix, alex brandon's song the dragonfly kicks ass, i listened to it a while ago

[orbik]

Greetings

I just googled for tyrian music and ended up here. I've been thinking of recreating the complete soundtrack of Tyrian with more modern sounds but laziness, it seems, is a powerful force. However, I have finished 1 track so far, Return me to Savara.
Tell me what you think:

Not 100% note for note, but I tried to capture the feeling of the original.

edit: old url removed, see reply #54

[Mindless]

aw... it doesn't loop, otherwise I give it a thumbs up though

[orbik]

Hey, thanks for the reply. Next one will be Tyrian - The Song.. probably a bit harder because it involves both synth and orchestral type sounds which can easily seem out of place.
But what do you mean it doesn't loop? I meant it to loop

[Mindless]

perhaps it's simply my media players then... although it does sound like it's supposed to loop, it doesn't quite flow (so perhaps the end is being cut short)

[orbik]

Oops, indeed it sounds weird.. I didn't take into account the reverbs from the last notes, so they just got cut abruptly. Fixed version now under the same link.

[nixin]

orbik: Very nicely sounding and close to the original thing. Though it could use a bit of mastering. What are you using to recreate/record the music? Maybe we could team up to get the work done faster?
My and kg's Tyrian Music Project is unfortunatly still frozen because of the lack of time.
Have a great day! btw. It's good to see (and hear) that something is going on with this matter

[sharp]

We're back on track.

[death]

I wonder how you loop songs like that? Alot of video game songs are like that when downloaded.

[orbik]

Hi again. I finally had the time and proper inspiration to work on the project.. and finished "Tyrian, the Song". The song has more rock feel to it than original, mostly because I wanted to make good use of this free drum kit I got (G&S CW). The thing ended up sounding pretty good, but I can't seem to do mastering well.. it's always either too quiet or sounds too compressed.
I also re-encoded and moved the savara song.

ihme.org/~orbik/mp3/tyrian/Tyrian,%20The%20Song.ogg
ihme.org/~orbik/mp3/tyrian/Return%20me%20to%20savara.ogg

[nixin]

Awesome stuff, orbik! Requires a bit more mastering and I would probably change the samples (in Tyrian, The Song) for the first accoustic guitar when the first motive appears. Other than that - it's @#$%^ great job!

If you want I could try to mix+master it properly, but you'd have to send me each separate track dry (no reverb, comp, etc.) in some lossless format, and add some notes.

As for the drum kit samples, never heard of G&S CW, but I have BFD with expansions, so could try that also, or even ask a friend that plays in a progressive rock band to record them live.

Btw. you could experiment with different FXs', should sound nice, since this is originally electronic music.

EDIT:
I think the first pseudo-viola sounds a bit "cheap", could try to experiment with that too.

[kg]

Wow orbik, in my opinion Savara is almost perfect - I would change only drums and lead sound a bit (this loop is perfect and this fast part when this song make a loop - kalimbas/xylophone with strings is brilliant!). And Tyrian the song is nice too - especially ending (those guitars with lead in intervals, just like prog ). Keep working! When I'll pass my final exams maybe I'll start doing some remakes of Tyrian songs

And one more important thing:

Do you have a clue where can I look for something related to LDS (Loudness Music System)? The only thing I've found is Adlib plugin and lds files of Tyrian's music, but there's nothing like LDS tracker or some kind of software which can edit this type of files.

[orbik]

I've updated Tyrian, the song with minor changes. (New version under the same link) The first acoustic guitar part is now played on the first synth1 plugin. IMO, the lead guitar part started too suddenly so i added a reversd note before it. Also some minor tweaks here and there.
Not sure what you meant by pseudo-viola but the sounds used were the most suitable to my ear in Edirol's Orchestral plugin.

Live drums would indeed be awesome.. well, depending on the player's skill and recording quality

I also now exported the dry tracks in FLAC for mixing&mastering, see what you can do.
ihme.org/~orbik/mp3/tyrian/tyrian%20song%20dry%20tracks/

The guitar parts may not sound completely natural because i had to do punch-in recordings over and over again (sloppy player) , but it shouldn't be a problem in the mix.

kg
I don't think there exists a publicly available editor for the lds files. A file converter to and from Adlib tracker might just be what you're after. (don't know if anyone's done it) From AdPlug's sources (lds.cpp) you can pretty much figure out the file structure. I've actually edited a .lds file in a hex editor and tweaked the instruments and patterns. If you can program in c++, making the converter shouldn't be too hard.

One more thing:
If we're to actually get these integrated to opentyrian, wouldn't it be good to define loop points for each song. Then you could have a separate start section excluded from the loop. For example my savara song starts way too sudden to sound good. You could fade it in but that's kinda cheap too. But then you couldn't probably play it in every media player correctly.

yet another EDIT:
The snare drum was way too loud so I took it 3 dB down.. funny that I didn't realise this until I listened to it through a small laptop speaker. I guess mixing with headphones has its drawbacks.

[Marschflugmallow]

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